Andy Parsons bombs in front of a West London crowd last week. Is this a sign that even in Ealing of all places, the public are losing patience with performative political correctness?
As you say, it’s not that people necessarily disagreed with him, but it was tired stuff - old themes. I imagine 70% would agree with him politically in London - possibly higher among the kind of people why attend comedy gigs. Even in Newcastle it would be well over 50%, since it’s a university city. If you look at the polls, Trump is very unpopular in the UK and, of course, Truss is a laughing stock. There is absolutely no reason why the “Red Wall” would be fans of Truss. (There are probably more extreme free-marketers in London than the Red Wall - and Farage doesn’t want to be associated with her.)
No - the problem is that comedy has to be funny. You can’t just repeat “Trump orange swivel-eyed gammon!” any more than you can just keep saying “woke elite TDS sneering BBC!” - and expect a laugh.
Is Trump that unpopular in the UK, or are we simply being told that he is? The media this weekend focused on the few dozen protestors at Turnbury whilst ignoring the turnout of supporters at the airport. It's very important for us to question assumptions and also polls . I suspect that Trump is considerably more popular in the UK than many would assume.
If you look at YouGov's pages the majority of surveys support the perspective that he is unpopular, however, the majority of those surveys are online and online surveys are notoriously inaccurate when it comes down to tracking 'conservative' opinion as the majority of people are not plugged into a digital ecosphere 24/7
… but I’m sure there are others. Obviously one can doubt the methodology with all polls, but if we’re going to do that it cuts both ways. Are Reform’s ratings as high as the polls say? One could make the opposite argument that the *most* “right wing” are terminally online. And with the Trump polls we’re not talking about a small margin where an error or bias would make a big difference. The difference between “like” and “dislike” is huge.
Personally I accept both the Trump and the Reform polls, while acknowledging their limitations.
And a bit of anecdotal “evidence” … I have a neighbour who is about as “gammon” as they get. He even thinks that the RNLI shouldn’t pick up migrants in the Channel, which, in my view, is a disgraceful opinion. Yet he can’t stand Trump, makes fun of him etc.
The thing about Trump is that he’s so stereotypically American he grinds a lot of people’s gears. Maybe if he was American my neighbour would be a Trump supporter? Quite probably. As it is, I suspect that good old-fashioned anti-Americanism cuts across the UK political spectrum.
Yougov? Sorry but polls do not 'cut both ways'. Perfect eg is all the Yank claims vs Trump claiming Clinton was in the lead (thereby assisting the Russiagate conspiracy) and that Harris was neck and neck.
Similar happened when Boris Johnson won the enormous majority, polls had it for a close Labour victory. The middle classes have been trained to dislike Trump by their comedy shows on the BBC and C4 - is their anything more middle class than a satire or comedy show on the BBC?
Simplified: don't trust polls. They are designed to give the answer required by the body that commissions them. This has been borne out in the results of US and UK elections, when the right wing have won, despite poor polling. And the Scottish referendum.
The middle classes in the UK are the base of anti-Trump sentiment, as they consume the bien pensant output: BBC Newsnight, R4, HIGNFY, FT, The News Agents etc. Red Wall types dont and admire blunt, outspoken types much more.
More in Comments reckoned they were 13% of the population in 2020. More recent surveys indicated 8% - 10%. Then suddenly - reverse ferret - back to 13% - and everyone else recategorised!!!
As you say, it’s not that people necessarily disagreed with him, but it was tired stuff - old themes. I imagine 70% would agree with him politically in London - possibly higher among the kind of people why attend comedy gigs. Even in Newcastle it would be well over 50%, since it’s a university city. If you look at the polls, Trump is very unpopular in the UK and, of course, Truss is a laughing stock. There is absolutely no reason why the “Red Wall” would be fans of Truss. (There are probably more extreme free-marketers in London than the Red Wall - and Farage doesn’t want to be associated with her.)
No - the problem is that comedy has to be funny. You can’t just repeat “Trump orange swivel-eyed gammon!” any more than you can just keep saying “woke elite TDS sneering BBC!” - and expect a laugh.
Is Trump that unpopular in the UK, or are we simply being told that he is? The media this weekend focused on the few dozen protestors at Turnbury whilst ignoring the turnout of supporters at the airport. It's very important for us to question assumptions and also polls . I suspect that Trump is considerably more popular in the UK than many would assume.
If you look at YouGov's pages the majority of surveys support the perspective that he is unpopular, however, the majority of those surveys are online and online surveys are notoriously inaccurate when it comes down to tracking 'conservative' opinion as the majority of people are not plugged into a digital ecosphere 24/7
Yes indeed - YouGov have this one …
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Donald_Trump
… but I’m sure there are others. Obviously one can doubt the methodology with all polls, but if we’re going to do that it cuts both ways. Are Reform’s ratings as high as the polls say? One could make the opposite argument that the *most* “right wing” are terminally online. And with the Trump polls we’re not talking about a small margin where an error or bias would make a big difference. The difference between “like” and “dislike” is huge.
Personally I accept both the Trump and the Reform polls, while acknowledging their limitations.
And a bit of anecdotal “evidence” … I have a neighbour who is about as “gammon” as they get. He even thinks that the RNLI shouldn’t pick up migrants in the Channel, which, in my view, is a disgraceful opinion. Yet he can’t stand Trump, makes fun of him etc.
The thing about Trump is that he’s so stereotypically American he grinds a lot of people’s gears. Maybe if he was American my neighbour would be a Trump supporter? Quite probably. As it is, I suspect that good old-fashioned anti-Americanism cuts across the UK political spectrum.
Yougov? Sorry but polls do not 'cut both ways'. Perfect eg is all the Yank claims vs Trump claiming Clinton was in the lead (thereby assisting the Russiagate conspiracy) and that Harris was neck and neck.
Similar happened when Boris Johnson won the enormous majority, polls had it for a close Labour victory. The middle classes have been trained to dislike Trump by their comedy shows on the BBC and C4 - is their anything more middle class than a satire or comedy show on the BBC?
By ordinary folk aren't so easily led.
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Simplified: don't trust polls. They are designed to give the answer required by the body that commissions them. This has been borne out in the results of US and UK elections, when the right wing have won, despite poor polling. And the Scottish referendum.
The middle classes in the UK are the base of anti-Trump sentiment, as they consume the bien pensant output: BBC Newsnight, R4, HIGNFY, FT, The News Agents etc. Red Wall types dont and admire blunt, outspoken types much more.
When did Andy Parsons become a comedian?
Are the wokes disappearing?
More in Comments reckoned they were 13% of the population in 2020. More recent surveys indicated 8% - 10%. Then suddenly - reverse ferret - back to 13% - and everyone else recategorised!!!
They are just 8% in the US.....